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15722 - COLT 45 SERIAL NUMBER 35311
1/30/2018
Paul, San Antonio TX

Maker: Colt 45, Model: 35311, Caliber: 45, Barrel Length: 7 Inches, Finish: Nickel, SN: ?

Markings:
Patent Sept 19 1871

Question:
What do I have, a valuable pistol? Just a off-the-hip est of value, and how can I find the plastic handle part that is broken.

Answer:
Paul- The patent September 19, 1871 is the most useful info you provided, along with the barrel length. From the length we can eliminate it from being one of the semi-auto pistols, leaving only about 6-8 revolver models. However, the date narrows it down to the Single Action Army model, the classic “cowboy gun” of the old west. The serial number 35311 indicates it was made in 1877, and is among the number range where many of the guns were purchased by the U.S. Army. However, many guns also went to the civilian market, including guns rejected by the Army. If originally finished in nickel it was probably a civilian gun. If originally an Army gun with U.S. stamped near the patent date, then it was refinished later. The barrel length is probably actually 7 ½ inches, which includes the part that screws into the frame, but if actually 7 inches then it has been shortened and that hurts value. The grips were originally wood on these, up until about 1881 when hard rubber became an option. Since the grips (either hard rubber or plastic) are not the original style, I would not worry too much about trying to match them exactly. There are a number or places that make reproduction grips for the Colt Single Action Army, but they will need some fitting work done, and it may pay to have someone do this for you. Just Google “Colt SAA grips price” and you will find some.

As far as value, since yours is a desirable “first generation” in .45 Colt caliber with the long barrel it should have good collector value. These are a somewhat specialized field that we do not get into much, but a rough guess might be as little as $750 and up to two or three times that depending on overall condition. Colt can provide a “factory letter” on where most of these were originally shipped, usually some wholesaler or hardware chain, but sometime some place a lot more exciting. Colt makes more on one of these letters than they ever did selling the guns, and prices for an early SAA letter are something like $350-450. So it may or may be worth it to you. Now, all of the above assumes that your pistol is a genuine 1877 product made by Colt. The Single Action Army is an extremely popular gun, and more replicas have been made than Colt ever made originally, and some of them use the original patent markings and serious numbers could reach 35311. If it is a replica of the original, then value and everything else above are irrelevant. Hope that helps. John Spangler

15751 - Dreyse 1907 .25 Pistol
1/30/2018
Loren MN,USA

Maker: Dreyse, Model: N???, Caliber: .25 Caliber Semi Automatic, Barrel Length: 2 Inches, Finish: ?, SN: 60XXX

Question:
Looks like what might be an R and an F and an M on the grips.

Looking for a clip for this pistol. It is at least 53 years old as it was brought over from Germany in 1945. I believe it was used then. My deceased father brought it over so I don't know much else about it. He used to keep the pistol in the glove compartment of the car and the clip for it in his jacket pocket. Someone stole his jacket with the clip in it about 20 years ago. Would like any information about this pistol and any advice about obtaining a clip for it.

Answer:
Loren, it sounds like you have a Dreyse Model 1907. Waffenfabrik von Dreyse was founded about 1842 to make the famous Needle Gun for the Prussian army, the Dreyse concern had also made needle pistols and cap lock revolvers. The 6.35mm Model 1907 was broadly based on the 1906 Browning pattern without the grip safety. The Model 1907 had a unique patented method of disassembly, lifting the rear sight clear of the slide allows the whole rib to be removed backward, allowing the pistol to be dismantled. Model 1907's are marked DREYSE on the left side of the slide and have 'RMF' monograms on the grips. You may have a hard time locating a magazine, try posting a want on our wanted page or follow the gun parts links on our links page... Marc

15721 - Gun Sight Civil War Era
1/27/2018
Ernest Morgan city LA

Maker: Gun Sight Civil War Era, Model: ?, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Blue, SN: DC-0050-A

Question:
this is a gun sight found in a civil war battle field at Fort Star in Louisiana I believe it to be genuine but don`t know how to verify can You Please help new to this. Ernie J Roe

Answer:
Ernest- I regret I cannot help with that one. Try contacting us on the main page at http://OldGuns.net using one of the email links and explain what it is you want to send a photo of, and we will get back with an address so you can send attachments. The link on the page does not allow attachments.

No guarantee we can ID it from a photo, but maybe. John Spangler

15748 - What Is It Worth?
1/27/2018
Charles Reedsville, Pa

Maker: Winchester, Model: Model 94, Caliber: 30-30, Barrel Length: 24in, Finish: Blue, SN: 1953035

Question:
What is it worth

Answer:
Charles, the model 1894 Winchester is one of the world`s most popular firearms, to date over 6 million 1894's have been manufactured and they are still going strong. My records indicate that your Winchester was manufactured in 1952. Model 1894 Winchesters manufactured before 1964, bring a premium but condition plays a big part in determining their values. There is a big difference between NRA Excellent and NRA Good condition (see our NRA Condition Grading Definitions For Antique Firearms section). There is not much more that I can tell you from just the serial number that you sent. Suggest that you take your 94 to the next gunshow in your area and show it to a couple of dealers who have similar items for sale. They will probably be able to help. Good luck, Marc

15744 - JC 12 Ga
1/23/2018
Julie

Maker: JC, Model: ?, Caliber: 12 Gauge, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Rusty, SN: 184

Markings:
A lot of markings

Question:
What company made it and how old is it

Answer:
Julie, I do not have a lot of information on this firearm, it is probably one of a huge number made in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and sold through various retail outlets. This type of firearm falls into the category of "old guns" that no one seems to be interested in as shooters, but collectors do not want them either. Generally these were basic inexpensive simple guns which sold at modest prices and still have little interest or value on market today. On the retail market they usually sell in the $25-125 range depending on condition and general appearance for use as a "wall hanger" over a fireplace. Where there is any family history, we encourage people to keep these old guns for sentimental value. Please be warned that most of these are not considered safe to shoot.

Sorry for our lack of information, our main focus at FineOldGuns.com (OldGuns.net) is military firearms. We sometimes list sporting shotguns for sale in our catalogs but we do not have a lot of interest in collecting them and are by no means experts in this field. There are several dealers listed on our links page that specialize in shotguns who would be able to give you a better answer to your question. Marc

15720 - COLT 1851 NAVY REVOLVER
1/23/2018
Kevin, Morgantown, WV

Maker: Colt, Model: 1851 Navy ?, Caliber: 36 Cal, Barrel Length: 7 1/2'', Finish: Don`t Know, SN: 211566

Markings:
Colt`s Patent No. 11566 on Cylinder Colt`s Patent on Left Side Frame Markings that look to be ''A.W.W.ARE'' on Left Side Frame Colt`s Patent on Left Side Frame behind the ''A.W.'' Numeral ''6'' on Left Side Trigger Guard ''Address Col Sam L Colt New-York U.S. America'' on Barrel Top

Question:
I have been doing some reading and research on this gun and believe it to be a Colt 1851 Navy, but part of my research has shown that many variations of this gun were made. Do I have the correct name? Also, what do the ''A.W.W....'' marks mean on the Left Side Frame? It appears to be military related, but I haven`t been able to find much in the way of documentation on these kinds of markings in my research. I find the history very interesting. Would you be able to estimate, even maybe, an approximate value on this find? I have numerous high quality photos that I can send. Kind thanks.

Answer:
Kevin- Based on the serial number your pistol was made in 1870, well after the Civil War. By the time it was made, percussion guns were obsolete and most new guns were cartridge models. The “A.W.W.ARE” marks are not anything I recognize and your guess is as good as mine. They could be from a business which had armed guards (riverboats, stage lines, railroads, mining companies) or a police department, or a theatrical prop supplier, or just some private citizen or business owner from the local hardware store, bank or brothel who thought he might like to have a gun handy.

As far as value, the most desirable (other than lavishly engraved or mint condition guns) are the ones used in the Civil War, especially if they are one of the about 3% that can be linked to a specific unit. Without knowing more about the condition of your gun, my best guess is that similar examples might be found at gun shows or auctions selling around $500-1,000 retail. Hope that helps. John Spangler

15708 - Page-Lewis Arms Co (Savage) Springfield Jr. Model 50
1/20/2018
Sean, Cumming, GA, USA

Maker: Page-Lewis Arms Co (Savage), Model: Springfield Jr. Model 50, Caliber: .22lr, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Blue, SN: NONE FOUND

Markings:
''Springfield Arms Company Chicopee falls mass. USA 22 - LONG RIFLE''

Question:
I have several questions on this gun. 1: Assuming this gun was made circa 1928 - 933 due to Page-Lewis Arms Co which explains the lack of a S/N 2: The front-sight post is missing on this gun. Is there a way to find/buy a replacement? 3: Value, my rifle`s bluing is mostly gone and the stock is need of refinishing. I know overall refinishing any gun is a bad idea but do I have something here that is `special?` This is for my son, I was planning on re-finishing the metal and stock for appearance. Outside the lack of a front sight, the fun functions flawlessly. I can provide photos if desired. Thank you, Sean W.

Answer:
Sean- There is a great history of Page Lewis- (much better than I could do, so I will link to it instead of stealing it) at http://www.nationalgunforum.com/rimfire-central/48575-paige-lewis-arms-co-springfield-jr.html That forum thread also includes a photo of one of the rifles, and it looks like they have a dovetailed front sight. A good gunsmith may have a suitable sight or one which can be made to work laying around, or some of the parts dealers probably have some which would work with a bit of fitting. If the fit is a little off, a good cleaning with lacquer thinner to get rid of any oil will allow you to use some epoxy to secure it in place.

As far as refinishing, that will hurt the collector value, but since these are not a high dollar piece that is not much of a consideration. Since you plan to keep this in the family, I think refinishing the stock and metal would be fine. The wood they used was pretty cheap stuff, so my recommendation would be a paint remover to get off any old finish, then a very light sanding (VERY light!) followed by a coat of stain and a couple coats of your favorite oil finish, or shellac. A glossy varnish just does not look right on old guns, so I would avoid that. For the metal, if there is no pitting, then just enough cleaning with steel wool to remove any surface rust or oxidation, but with pitting you might have to use fine abrasive cloth. Degrease THOROUGHLY and then a good cold blue will make it look good. I would use several coats of Brownells Oxpho-Blue (liquid form) but if you have a favorite, use it. Several coats should result in a deep blue-black color. The bolt body was originally bright, so just a bit of polishing there. I hope your son enjoys it! Make sure you give him some good safety lessons before allowing him to shoot it. John Spangler

15743 - Looking For Shotgun
1/20/2018
Toni in Clinton, CT

Maker: ?, Model: ?, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Don`t Know, SN: ?

Question:
Looking for shotgun made by Jacob Thomas Sackett

Answer:
Toni, try posting it on our free "Wanted" page at the following URL:

http://oldguns.net/submitwn.htm

Good luck, Marc

15707 - SAVAGE MODEL 3C .22 BOLT ACTION RIFLE
1/16/2018
Devin, Columbus, Ohio

Maker: Savage, Model: 3c, Caliber: 22 Short 22 Long, Barrel Length: 26'', Finish: Don`t Know, SN: N/A BEFORE SERIAL NUMBER TRACKING

Question:
I have a 1930s savage model 3c 22 rifle. I`m wondering is there a way to remove the iron sights? I`m wanting to also add a scope is this possible? I`d like to know if I have replacement barrel options. I cannot find allot of general info on these guns. Thank you for your time.

Answer:
Devin- To be honest, I knew nothing about this model, and had to do some research. Fortunately, someone else cares about these, and has a ton of great information on them at: https://www.gunvaluesboard.com/the-savage-model-3-.22-rf-single-shot-rifle-798.html It would be easy to cut and paste all their info here, but they deserve credit for their work, and traffic to their site, so we are glad to link to it.

As far as adding a scope, sure, that is possible, and any decent gunsmith can drill and tap and add bases for a scope, or a side mount. There may be problems with bolt handle clearance, so he might have to modify the bolt handle. Frankly, adding a scope would destroy whatever modest collector value it might have, and cost a lot more than the finished product would be worth. If you want a scoped .22 go out and get a Ruger 10/22 or one of the current crop of .22 rifles from many makers which are a lot better guns, and still pretty fairly priced, especially if you are willing to get a previously owned example.

As for replacing the barrel, that is technically possible, but since replacement barrels are not really available, you would have to have a gunsmith remove the old barrel and then thread a new barrel (or one salvaged from just about any .22 rifle) to fit your receiver, and chamber it. Again, technically possible, but the cost would be far more than just buying a new rifle.

If this gun has sentimental value, keep it and shoot it as is and pass it down to the next generation. If no sentimental value, see if a dealer will allow you anything on a trade in, and if the answer is any number over $35 I would do it. John Spangler

15742 - Model 70 DOM
1/16/2018
Maryland

Maker: Winchester, Model: 70, Caliber: 300 H & Happy Mag, Barrel Length: 26in, Finish: Blue, SN: 247121

Question:
Is this rifle pre 1964 thanks for the information

Answer:
The year of manufacture for your Winchester Model 70 serial number 247121 is 1953. The Model 70 was first approved for sales by Winchester on 29th December 1934 and the first rifles were delivered into store in the autumn of 1936. Many people consider the pre-64 Winchester Model 70 to be the best bolt action sporting rifle ever manufactured. Unfortunately, Winchester was purchased by the Olin corporation in 1961 and work began to modernize the Model 70 to simplify production. It is my opinion that Olin's "modernization" of the Model 70 resulted in a product that was vastly inferior in quality, design and workmanship to the older versions. Olin sold Winchester's operations to the U.S. Repeating Arms Company in 1981. U.S. Repeating Arms re-introduced the pre-64 Model 70 design in 1997 as the Classic Model 70. I am impressed with the new Classic Model 70 rifles, I believe that they are as good as the pre-64 rifles or maybe even a little bit better because of the modern steel used in their construction. Marc

15741 - CZ Model 27
1/12/2018
Cortez Atlanta Ga

Maker: ?, Model: Cz27, Caliber: 32, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Don`t Know, SN: 380436

Markings:
Iron eagle holding the swastika

Question:
How do I find out the origin and history of my ww2 fnh pistole model 27

Answer:
Cortez, the Czechoslovakian Model 1927 is not a rare pistol, but I consider an example with German markings to be an essential part of any German WWII handgun collection. The CZ Mod. 1927 pistol was adopted by Czechoslovakian armed forces in 1927 and remained in production under the German occupation until 1945, then after the war into the 1950s. Pistols manufactured under German occupation after June 1941 are marked "fnh" "Pistole Modell 27 Kal. 7.65". "fnh" was the WW-II German ordnance code assigned to Bohmische Waffenfabrik, Strkonitz plant, Prague, Czechoslovakia in June, 1941. It is reported that serial numbers under German occupation were re-started at 1 and went up to over 475,000. Your serial number should be located on the top of the slide just forward of the rear sight and beneath the barrel one inch from the muzzle. It may or may not be located on the upper left side of the frame above the safety lever. Military acceptance stamp (eagle over "WaA76") should be stamped on the upper right side of the frame above the grip and beneath the barrel just forward of the locking lugs (on some pistols it is located on the top of the slide just forward of the serial number). The military test proof (eagle over swastika in a circle) should be stamped on the right side of the chamber (barrel) or on the top of the slide just forward of the serial number. There is no source that I know of that would provide information on the history of individual WWII CZ pistols. Marc

15706 - M1 GARAND- ARLINGTON ORDNANCE 7.62mm BARREL
1/12/2018
Bill, Las Cruces, NM

Maker: Springfield Armory, Model: M1 Garand, Caliber: 7.62 NATO, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Blue, SN: 3793380

Markings:
Barrel Marked: Arlington ORD VA 762 NATO

Question:
My research so far indicates it is a Korean Surplus imported by Arlington Ordnance. Arlington installed a 762 Nato barrel. The barrel marks are very clear and appropriately deep. I read the history of Arlington Ordnance and noted they produced some bad barrels with a pink hue, sprayed on Parkerizing. These barrels had faint, shallow markings. They also produced very high quality 762 conversion barrels for the Garand, I am hoping you can give me some info on this one.

Answer:
Bill- Sorry, we cannot help on that one. I have never heard of any Arlington Ordnance imported Garands with 7.62mm barrels. The best thing to do would be check over on the Garand Collectors Association page or one of the forums like the CMP page or Jouster (http://www.jouster2.com/forums/forum.php).

I am familiar with the U.S. Navy conversions to 7.62mm, but this sounds like something entirely different, unless somehow some of the USN rifles ended up as South Korean surplus after going over with some old ships we transferred to them. John Spangler

15737 - Winchester 670 A Information
1/9/2018
Anthony Edison N.J.

Maker: Winchester, Model: 670a, Caliber: 30.06, Barrel Length: 22'', Finish: Blue, SN: G186092

Markings:
beautiful gun

Question:
would love to know specific year?

Answer:
Anthony, the Winchester Model 670 is an economy version of the popular model 70 that came with a hardwood pistol grip stock, 22 inch barrel, open sights and a non-hinged floorplate. Although it is a decent rifle for shooting and hunting purposes, the Model 670 never caught on with collectors like the Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters did. The 670 was first cataloged for sale in 1967 and remained in production until 1973. Total manufacture is estimated to be under 300,000 total rifles. Information pertaining to the production runs for the 670 is at best speculative, as Winchester either did not maintain a serial number data base, or what data was retained has been lost or destroyed. Because of this, there is no way to know precisely when your rifle was produced. Marc

15704 - M1 CARBINE
1/9/2018
Brendan Andrews - Lenoir - North Carolina - USA

Maker: U.S. Carbine, Model: U.S.A. Issued, Caliber: .30 Cal, Barrel Length: N/A484, Finish: Other, SN: 4849204

Markings:
Strange engraving in side of stock that reads: A O T

Question:
What does this engraving mean? It also has the original M8A1 bayonet attached to the end, and it fires flawlessly. Original clip also. What is a good price range for value? Don`t really want to sell it. Just would like to know it`s worth. Really curious about the engraving though.

Answer:
Brendan- Based on the serial number your M1 Carbine was made by Quality Hardware & Machine Co. between September 1943 and May 1944. The AOT marking may be from an ordnance overhaul sometime, but it is not an abbreviation I recognize. Maybe related to Anniston, but maybe not. Assuming everything is original U.S. military with no ugly import marks on the barrel, even if the parts are a “mixmaster” from various makers I would think that the value as a shooter is at least $500 and if really nice and the AOT marks are legitimate, not Bubba’s initials, maybe even double that. The M1 carbines are really fun shooters, so enjoy. John Spangler

15703 - CHARLEVILLE MODEL 1777 FLINTLOCK MUSKET
1/6/2018
Jackson

Maker: Contract Charleville, Model: 1777, Caliber: .69, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Other, SN: ?

Markings:
It has several proof markings that are not consistent with french armories.

Question:
The musket is an original 1777 style charleville, only it does not bare the lock or barrel markings of a french musket. This leads me to believe that it was a contract musket, and I am hoping that perhaps you guys could tell me more about it and perhaps it`s value. I can send pictures pending a reply to this question.

Answer:
Jackson- The French arms were pretty much the trend setters for the 18th century small arms fashions, and virtually identical copies were made in many other countries, sometimes on contract from France when they needed more arms than they could produce domestically for their own troops, or other times to arm allies or colonies. Then, many other countries made them for their own use or export. Indeed, the first U.S. military arms made by Springfield, Harpers Ferry and contractors were basically copies of the French muskets, with the final product varying somewhat based on exactly which of the French models was provided as a pattern, there being no blueprints or other specific standards at the time. In the U.S., in addition to federal contracts, several states also purchased copies of Charlevilles. In addition, it was very common, especially in the post-Revolutionary War period, for militia (and even federal army) muskets to be repaired or assembled using a mix of salvaged parts from various models and makers.

To be honest, except for those which conform exactly to known makers and specific model designations, identifying exactly when and where these “French style” muskets were made, and by whom, is extremely difficult. Arms historian and author George Moller has probably done the best job in his outstanding “American Military Shoulder Arms” which exhaustively covers regular army and militia longarms from the colonial period through the Civil War (with another volume or two in the works to get into the late 19th century at least). You would need to read through Volumes 1 and 2 very carefully to see if you can find anything that matches, as Moller covers both imported arms and those made in the U.S. There is a relatively new book, “French Military Small Arms: Volume 1- Flintlock Longarms” by Didier Bianchi, published by Mowbray Publishing which goes into great detail on the French arsenal system and its products. It takes about 26 pages to go through the Model 1777 family of arms, and this might be your best starting point to see if it matches any of the French official patterns, before heading off to the colonies and America to look for copies.

Values are all over the place on flintlock longarms, varying too much for me to make a guess as to value. You can review recent prices on some of the auction houses which sell these to get a better feel, but the on-line auctions (GunBroker.com, etc) seldom get any good antiques like these.

Hope that helps. John Spangler

15736 - Remington Model 6 Date Of Manufacture
1/6/2018
Richard East Greenwich, Rhode Island

Maker: Remington, Model: Model 6, Caliber: .22, Barrel Length: 20 Inch, Finish: Blue, SN: 17994A

Markings:
Has the letter GI stamped on bottom of barrel. Can only be seen when barrel is removed from receiver.

Question:
Date of manufacturer if possible.

Answer:
Richard, Remington introduced the Model 6 in 1902 and total production was at least 250,000 before ending in 1933. These were "Boys' rifles" intended for youngsters to engage in recreational shooting in woods, or hunting, or at target ranges. The rifles were made in .22 rimfire (short, long, long rifle) and also in .32 rimfire (short or long). A few were made with smooth bores for shooting shot cartridges. It is amazing to consider that prior to WW2, nearly every boy had one or more guns while growing up.

Starting in 1921 Remington rifles should have a code located on the left side of the barrel near the frame that identifies the year and month of manufacture. The following letters correspond to the months of the year, for example B=January, L= February and so on [ B - L - A - C - K - P - O - W - D - E - R - X ]. The following letters correspond to the year of manufacture starting in 1921 and ending in 1972. [ M - N - P - R - S - T - U - W - X - Y - Z - A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - J - K - L - MM - NN - PP - RR - SS - TT - UU - WW - XX - YY - ZZ - A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - J - K -L - M - N - P - R - S - T - U - W ].

Since neither the letter ``G`` nor the letter ``I`` are included in the Remington year and date codes, the code that you gave me could not be a date code. With that in mind, if your rifle does not have the date code, the best that I can tell you is that it was probably manufactured before 1921. Marc

15718 - Buccaneer Revolver
1/2/2018
Dena, Woodstock, Ohio

Maker: Hy Hunter, Model: Buccaneer Model, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Don't Know, SN: ?

Markings:
Hy Hunter Made in Germany Hollywood, CA Buccaneer Model

Question:
What can you tell me about this gun? I was given 2 of these in very good shape from an elderly man I use to work for. I can't find out any information on this particular model. Anything or any links would be helpful, please dena6559@hotmail.com

Answer:
Dena, Hy Hunter Firearms Company, Inc. had offices in Hollywood and Burbank, California. During the 1960s. The company imported and distributed a wide variety of inexpensive West German manufactured firearms including the Frontier Six Shooter, Western style single-action revolvers manufactured by Rohm, the Detective and Chicago Cub, several other models of low quality West German .22 pocket revolvers, and the Maxim, Militar, Panzer, Stingray, and Stuka pistols, also manufactured by Rohm. There is little or no interest in this type of firearm, values usually fall in the $100 or less range. Marc

15701 - .45-70 SHOTGUN
1/2/2018
Jamie , California, Mo

Maker: ????, Model: ???, Caliber: 45/70 Shot, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Blue, SN: 872950

Markings:
Says 45/70 shot on the top of barrel

Question:
This is a single shot break barrel ''shotgun'' what could it be ??? Makers marks are all worn off. Appears very old maybe pre 1900`s

Answer:

Jamie- That is an odd one. The lack of maker markings makes it especially difficult to help much. The lack of barrel length also limits our ability to guess much.
Here are some thoughts, none of which are guaranteed to be helpful.
-- It was made before the .410 shotshell came out (or after) and was chambered for .45-70 loaded with shot (usually in a hollow wooden bullet).
-- It was made as a line throwing gun (which usually had a very short barrel) and someone added “SHOT” to the markings.
-- The presence of a serial number suggests it is not one of the really junky shotguns, which generally were not numbered (not required to until 1968).
-- I don’t know.
John Spangler

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