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16452 - Mauser HSC Pistol
3/30/2021
sibb54@ix.netcom.com (Jean Scibila) T

Maker: Mauser, Model: HSC, Caliber: 7.65, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: 800,XXX

Question:
I just picked up a Mauser HSC pistol with a serial # in the 800,000 range. It has one waffenamt with the #135.It also has two eagle over the letter"N" marks at other spots. Caliber is 7.65.What is the significance of the eagle/N marks? Also can date of manufacture be determined by the serial# range? What branch of the German armed forces used this pistol? Thanks, Len Scibilia

Answer:
Len, The Mauser HSC has always been one of my favorite pocket pistols, they are well made and I like the looks and design. Nazi HSC pistols were made from 1941 until the end of the war, serial numbers began at 700,000 and ended at 951,000. 135 is the German WW-II Heerswaffenamt inspector's mark on arms produced at Mauser Werke AG, Oberndorf am Neckar, Germany. The Eagle over the letter N is a commercial test proof and it should be located in 3 places. 1- on the right side of the chamber (barrel), 2 - on the right side of the trigger guard, and 3 - on the right side of the slide near the muzzle. The eagle over WaA135 should be on the left side of the trigger guard where it meets the frame. As to what branch of the armed forces your HSC was used by, HSC's issued to the Kreigsmarine had a Kreigsmarine acceptance stamp on the front grip strap or the left side of the trigger guard. HSC's issued to the police had an eagle over an x inside a circle with the letter L to the right stamped on the left side of the trigger guard. If your HSC has none of these special markings, the military branch that it was used by can not be determined... Marc

16447 - Gustav Genschow & Co. 22 Rifle
3/30/2021
Emil Hrivnak

Maker: Gustav Genschow & Co., Model: 28, Caliber: 22, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: 10531

Question:
Akt. Ges. Abtl. Waffenfabrik Berlin - Spandau Original Geco Sportbuchse Mod 28. Any idea if it's worth anything? I know it's at least 50 years old.

Answer:
Emil, we can't help too much with your rifle. Barrel length would have been a key bit of information, but you didn't have it handy. Geco was one of several reputable German arms makers in the pre-WW2 period, making a variety of models, much as Winchester, Remington, and Stevens were doing in the U.S. There is not much collector interest in most of the sporting models, but there is a fair interest in the models resembling the Kar98k German service rifle. These are considered to be secondary martial arms and seem to have a good demand. These have stocks similar to the Kar98k rather than sporter style stocks, and any military "waffenamt" marks are a plus. Values on the sporter versions don't seem to fit much of a pattern, due to weak demand. Best bet would be to take it to a gun show in your area where you have a good chance of having somebody interested in such things spot you carrying it. Gun shops in your area may or may not have anybody who knows anything about these...(but they may know more than I do). Hope you find out more... John Spangler

16449 - Model 1934 Beretta Pistol
3/27/2021
sibb54@ix.netcom.com Len Scibilia

Maker: Beretta, Model: 34, Caliber: 9 Mm Kurz, Barrel Length: 3 1/2, Finish: Blue, SN: G36XXX

Question:
Dear Sir, I recently came into possession of a Beretta pistol which I believe is a M34.It has a 3 1/2" barrel, black bakalite grips marked "PB" and is well machined and well blued. Quality of finish is higher than many later specimens I've seen. The left side has no markings except for a flying eagle and crown device on the frame beneath the hammer. On the right side the slide and frame exhibit the serial # G36XXX. Below the frame serial # is the legend "cal.9"(I believe it's 9mm kurz).Below the hammer is a large Nazi eagle and swastika device. The pistol is in 100% condition. Could you give me some information on the markings and some idea of approximate value? Thank you,

Answer:
Len, the 1934 Beretta was manufactured by Fabrica d`Armi Beretta in Gardone, Italy, for the Royal Italian Army form 1934 until the 1943 armistice, and then to war`s end for the Italian Socialist Republic armed forces and occupying Germans. According to records about 19,000 - 1934 Berettas with an AA or BB suffix were manufactured for the Germans in 1943, 44 or 45. It is likely that 1934 Berettas captured by occupying Germans form the Royal Italian armed forces were reissued to the Germans. I have records of 1934 Berettas with an eagle over a swastika, or an eagle over a swastika over the marking WaA162 stamped on the left side of the grip tang. I can find no mention of Nazi markings stamped on the right side of the frame. I would expect a to see a pistol like yours in excellet condition sell in the $850 or more range. Marc

16450 - Hi Standard Model 10 Bullpup
3/27/2021
Eric Klingenfus swordfoot@ntr.net

Maker: Hi Standard, Model: 10 Bullpup, Caliber: 12 Ga, Barrel Length: Est. 18¨, Finish: Blue, SN: ?

Markings:
This was a special weapon used in Vietnam primarily for point or tunnel clearing it was incased in black nylon. It had a shot suppresser that through 00 buck in a flat fan, it had a place to attach a flash light ,swivel yoke butt piece, tube fed recoil operated auto loader.

Question:
I carried one of these weapons for awhile in Vietnam. Never seen one before or since. I would like to know more about genesis of the weapon and are there any to be had? Apologize for lack of specific information, memory fails me.

Answer:
Dear Eric, I would really like to get more details on your service in Vietnam related to use of this (or any other) shotgun to document the history of some of the little known arms, and the men who used them. (Unit, dates, locations, copies of any photos showing the arms, etc. Let me know if you can help and I will provide mailing address. Thanks!) In 1978 Thomas Swearengen (CWO, USMC, ret) published the definitive book of military and other fighting shotguns- "The World's Fighting Shotguns". He has an extensive section on the development of the High Standard Model 10A "Bullpup" shotgun starting in 1965, and its successor the 10B which appeared in 1970. They had barrels a little over 18 inches long and overall length of about 27 inches, (thus long enough to avoid being classed as a "sawed off shotgun") with the same requirements to buy/sell as any other modern shotgun. The book makes no mention of quantity military purchases/use during Vietnam, however, that does not mean anyone should argue with you, when you say you carried one! He does mention on pp452-454 "Duckbill Spreader" attachments for the muzzle of shotguns to give a horizontal pattern, which were used to some extent by Navy SEALs and USMC Recon units. I have never heard of the spreaders being available for civilian purchase. High Standard was very picky about who they would sell the Model 10A/10B to, and sales were strictly limited to law enforcement users. However, in the last 25-30 years some have been sold as surplus by various agencies, so occasionally one is seen for sale, but at fairly high prices... John

16448 - Walther G-43 Rifle
3/23/2021
DEREK.SELTZER@MCKESSON.COM

Maker: Walther G-43 Ac-44code, Model: G-43, Caliber: 8mm, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: ?

Markings:
ac-44 with 2 bomb ord.marks on receiver

Question:
Can you give me a history on this rifle. I have heard they were sniper arms and noted that there is a side rail for scope mounting. I love shooting this rifle and am searching for a bio on its history. also, any info on how to obtain scope\mount and any books written would be helpful. thanks

Answer:
Derek, Your G43 was used by many German troops, and it was pretty successful, although not quite up to the "Finest Battle Implement Ever Devised" praise that Gen Patton gave to the U.S. M1 Garand rifle. All of the G43s included the rail on the side so a scope could be mounted (All our M14 rifles were made with a screw hole and three small locating ribs for mounting a scope.) However, that does not automatically make every rifle that can take a scope a sniper rifle. Scopes and mounts were made and issued in limited numbers to specially trained troops. Peter Senich's book "The German Sniper" discusses these in great detail. Original scopes (ZF-4) and mounts are expensive if you can find one. SARCO in New Jersey sells a pretty good reproduction mount, and one of the Russian sniper scopes from the Mosin Nagant rifles is similar in size, and would probably be satisfactory if you don't want to wait for an original. I do not know of any source of information to track the history of individual German weapons, unless they are GI souvenirs accompanied by "capture papers". I think that a reprint of the manual for the G43 has been available for a few bucks, but don't know the source. Maybe a note on the Century Arms page (see our links) would turn one up, and possibly a scope and mount... John Spangler

16446 - Excellent Model 70 In .257
3/23/2021
Robert Pompton Lakes NJ USA

Maker: Winchester, Model: 70, Caliber: 25, Barrel Length: 24 Guessing, Finish: Long Gun - Other, SN: 42794

Markings:
Winchester model 70 257 Roberts serial number 42794

Question:
This gun is beautiful it was my dads who passed when I was a boy... It looks to be made in 1941 which means it was probably my grandfathers .. Ive never shot it and like I said it is in beautiful condition .. I was wondering if this gun is capable of shooting modern ammo It seems that there is only P ammo available for the 257 Roberts nowadays.. I enjoyed your website and thank you Bob

Answer:
Robert, glad you enjoy our site, thanks for sending in a question. The Model 70 was first announced in the January 1, 1937, Winchester price list. Winchester factory records show that the first delivery of Model 70 rifles to warehouse stock was on August 14, 1936. The Model 70 was a redesign of Winchester`s earlier Model 54 bolt action rifle which incorporated many new features and improvements including a hinged floor plate, fully adjustable speed lock with short pull, new safety design with a horizontal swings that did not interfere with a telescope sight, manually releasable bolt stop which was independent of the sear and trigger, and a forged steel trigger guard. The Model 70 stock had less drop and a fuller forearm with better checkering. Target, Bull gun, and National Match style rifles were equipped with an adjustable sling swivel base. Rifles chambered in 375 H & H Magnum were originally offered with standard length and weight 24 inch barrels, these barrels were later changed to a slightly heavier 24 inch configuration. On February 8, 1937, Winchester decided to change 375 Magnum barrels to 25 inches with a different taper. This change was put into effect as factory stocks of the older style barrels were used up. The OldGuns.net Winchester Date Of Manufacture Program concures with you and tells me that the year of manufacture for your rifle (serial number 42794) is 1941. The Cody Firearms Museum can provide a ``factory letter`` telling the date of shipment, and in some cases the destination of a gun, along with notes on any special features noted in the records. These records are somewhat incomplete, but are considered to be the best information available. There is a fee for the letters (about $50 or so, nothing like the outrageous ransom demanded by the folks at Colt for letters from their records.) Values for early model 70 rifles range from about $800 to over $2500 depending on condition.

John and I are not gunsmiths so we are not the correct people to answer your question about safety.

16445 - P.38 Pricing
3/20/2021
Terry Mount Savage

Maker: Walther, Model: P-38, Caliber: 9mm, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Handgun - Blue, SN: 7xx

Markings:
Made by Spreewerks

Question:
Would like to know the approximate value I also have the P-38 holster and original German shells in the magazine Thanks Terry

Answer:
Terry, Walther and Mauser were not able to supply the German military with the enormous amount of handguns that were needed during WWII so the Spreewerke firm was ordered to tool up for the production of P.38s in 1943. Spreewerke was the third major contractor to build P.38 pistols in WWII Germany. Spreewerke GmbH got its name from the company`s main offices, located on the bank of the Spree River in Spandau, a suburb of Berlin. Spreewerke also operated a factory in the town of Hradkou-nad-Nisou, northwestern Czechoslovakia. The first Spreewerke-made P.38`s were issued to the German military in December of 1943, you did not provide a serial number so I can not give you a date of manufacture.

Spreewerke P.38 pistols are marked ``cyq`` this is the WW-II German ordnance code assigned to Spreewerke GmbH, Metallwarenfabrik, Berlin Spandau, Germany. Your pistol should have eagle over 88, and eagle over a swastika stampings. The eagle over 88s are German WW-II Heerswaffenamt inspectors marks, the number 88 was used on P.38 pistols manufactured by Spreewerk. The eagle over a swastika is a military acceptance stamp. Spreewerke P.38 pistols typically exhibit rough machining with visible milling marks. The pistol should be stamped with an eagle over a swastika on the right hand side of the slide and an eagle over 88 twice on the right hand side of the slide, once on the frame above the trigger, once on the right hand side of the barrel locking block and once on the left side of the barrel group.

For pricing, value for your pistol will depend on heavily condition and matching parts. Check the selling prices (not the asking prices) of similar pistols on Gun Broker to see what they sold for. Marc

16444 - Pattern 1853 .577 "Enfield" Rifle Musket
3/16/2021
B. Baker e-mail: BBaker0330@aol.com

Maker: London Armory Co., Model: Rifle Musket / Enfield Pattern 1853, Caliber: .577, Barrel Length: Rifle / 39 In., Finish: Blued Barrel, Case Hardened Lock & Hammer, SN: INSPECTOR & PROOF MARKINGS ONLY

Question:
Barrel: lac (overstamped) in two places. lock: crown over v.r , l.a.co. 1861stock; crotche-- London armory company bermondsey 1862 . This piece is prior to the 1864 major caleb huse exclusive contract between London armory and the c.s.a.are any records available on earlier (1861-63) shipments which would indicate if this rifle was purchased by the north or south ?is a ¨t & co.¨ marked ramrod correct for this gun? Thanks b. baker

Answer:
Bernard, Your Pattern 1853 .577 "Enfield" rifle musket is generally considered by most collectors to be a legitimate Civil War arm. Precise linkage to either U.S. or C.S. use is difficult at best, and I am personally very skeptical of most of the "evidence" folks have about their particular item (usually seeking a Confederate pedigree). Both Federal and Confederate agents, and those from numerous state, and private speculators were competing for surplus and newly made arms in Europe from 1860 to 1865. Arms could have been sold in large lots or small, and then changed ownership one or more additional times before finally reaching American ports (north or south). Some southern shpments were captured running the blockade, and subsequently the arms issued to federal forces. The best general coverage of this subject remains Bill Edwards superb "Civil War Guns". More specific details are buried in the 128 volume "Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies in the War of the Rebellion." The Todd et al "American Military Equipage 1851-1872" series has good break down of arms used on a regimental level, extracted from the quarterly reports of ordnance, etc. I recently sold a P1853 Enfield (Tower 1861) with "64 NY" marks, which was accompanied by a nicely done set of documents about the regiment's history of engagements, etc. However, the records said they had Springfields!! Captured trophy, unofficial battlefield replacement, or pure B.S.... who knows? I sold it based on the value of the gun itself, with the caveat that the 64NY association was suspect. Sorry I don't have any definitive answers for you. It certainly sounds like a nice piece, representative of those popular with the Confederate forces, but probably not something that can be positively proven... John Spangler.

16440 -
3/16/2021
Royce, Washington, mo.

Maker: Mauser, Model: 1934, Caliber: .25, Barrel Length: Approx. 3 Inches, Finish: Blue, SN: 256560

Markings:
Has standard Mauser markings and near front end of slide it has a crown over the letter U. Also has the word Germany on the pistol. No other markings.

Question:
I have seen you reference the crown over the letter N and the eagle over the N as proof marks. Is the crown over U marking a proof mark used prior or after these markings or does it have some other significance? Thanks.

Answer:
Royce, there are two possibilities for the crown over U inspection mark that you describe. The least likely possibility is that it is an East German, Shul inspection mark, (used since 1950). Crown over U was also a German definitive proof mark used on firearms form 1891 to 1939. The 1891 crown over U marling is called the "Untersuchungsstempel". The Untersuchungsstempel should have been applied next to an eagle or a crown to indicate that the barrel has been inspected. Use of the Untersuchungsstempel was discontinued in 1939 when a new proof law became effective. Marc

16433 - Spencer Carbine
3/12/2021
Chris Anniston Alabama

Maker: Spencer Repeating Carbine M1860, Model: M1865, Caliber: 56-50, Barrel Length: 20 Inches, Finish: Shotgun (Military) - Stainless Steel, SN: 1820

Markings:
None

Question:
Can I find out where or what calvary unit this gun was assigned to

Answer:
Chris- Unfortunately, there are no surviving records for that serial number. You say it is the Model 1865, which is probably marked on the top of the receiver, or adjacent part of the barrel. These were in .56-50 caliber, as you indicate, so it is probablycorrectly identified as the Model 1865, not the Model 1860 which was widely used in the Civil War. Most of the Model 1860s were sold off at the end of the war, and the Model 1865s retained in service, remaining widely issued (along with Sharps percussion and cartridge carbines, and a few other models) in the vastly smaller army post 1865 with the cavalry mainly scattered allover the west trying to subdue the Indians who were not happy at the influx of settlers into or passing through what they considered to be their lands.

While no specific regiment can be identified, you can get a good feel what arms were in use by various units in Arming & Equipping the United States Cavalry, 1865-1902 by Dusan Farrington, which is superbly researched and comprehensive. Being in the ordnance supply business for the frontier army was a nightmare with the variety of arms in use, the scattered small detachments, and extremely long supply lines and lead times. John Spangler

16443 - FN HP And Holster
3/12/2021
David Salem Or USA

Maker: Fabrique Nationale DArmes Guerre, Model: Looks Like A 1911 Colt, Caliber: 9mm, Barrel Length: 4 Or 5, Finish: Handgun - Blue, SN: 105675

Markings:
Several eagles sitting on a swastica On the holster it is stamped WaA 927 above that it is stamped bdt43

Question:
What kind of pistol I have seen the Lugers but this is unique

Answer:

David, it sounds like you have a The High Power made under Nazi occupation. The High Power pistol was designed by John Moses Browning and manufactured by Fabrique Nationale (FN) in Herstal, Belgium. The Belgians were first armed forces to adopt the High Power as an official sidearm, they did this in 1935. Between 1935 and the German capture of the FN factory on May 29, 1940 contracts were filled for the armed forces of several countries including Belgium, China, Peru, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Sweden and France.

From the plant's seizure by the Germans in May of 1940 to its liberation in September of 1944, over 319,000 High Powers pistols were manufactured for the German Wehrmacht. The first several thousand pistols were made up from captured parts and had a high polish finish, a shoulder stock slot cut into the rear grip strap and tangent rear sight. To speed production, the Germans eliminated the shoulder stock slot and then the tangent sight at about serial number 145000. As production continued, the quality of finish was reduced to dull blue over a progressively less polished metal. The Germans used three Waffenenamt stamps on High Power pistols:

Eagle over WaA613
Eagle over WaA103
Eagle over WaA140.

Yearly production of High Power pistols under German occupation was as follows:

1940..................... 8,500
1941..................... 65,700
1942..................... 80,600
1943..................... 101,200
1944..................... 63,000

The markings on your holster are what are commonly referred to as ``Waffenamts``, they were inspection stamps which identified the item as being inspected and passed, at some stage of its manufacturing process for the German Army. ``bdt`` is the WWII German makers code for Brng. Salewa München who manufactured High Power holsters and other leather goods in 1943 and 1944 and ``WaA 927`` is the inspectors code that was used by inspectors for that manufacturer. Marc

16439 - Colt In 30 Luger
3/9/2021
ken

Maker: Colt, Model: Commander, Caliber: 30 Luger, Barrel Length: 4 3/4", Finish: Blue, SN: CLW0096XX

Markings:
West German Proof marks

Question:
I have the Colt Letter on this piece, which I purchased at Weisbadden Airbase on May 15 1975 I also have all the paperwork, from sales and arms room receipts to military re-import papers it is a 1 of 500 production run My question is have you run across anything similar from Colt and who, among the serious Colt collectors would be interested in acquiring it?

Answer:
Ken- I can't help much on this one. When I first heard of the Colts in 30 Luger, I thought that it was a terrible idea (or just another sales gimmick) and my opinion has not changed. I know of no one who is interested in collecting this particular variation, but there are probably a few guys or gals who specialize in the M1911 that would love to have one of these. If I were offered one of the .30 Luger Colts, I would be willing to pay about half what I would for one in .45ACP, but some crazy collector might want to pay twice as much. As always, my free opinions are offered with a full money back guarantee. Marc

16435 - Suspected NRA Sporter
3/9/2021
Justin Palmer Alaska USA

Maker: Springfield, Model: 1903 NRA Sporter, Caliber: 30-06, Barrel Length: 24, Finish: Long Gun - Don`t Know, SN: 601598

Markings:
Barrel has SA Flaming bomb 4-25 then half way down it says M40. It has Lyman sights and looks exactly like an NRA sporter rifle and stated so on the recipe

Question:
Is it an NR A sporter rifle Is it a safe shooter I paid 400

Answer:
Justin- Based on the serial number, your rifle is definitely NOT a NRA Sporter assembled at Springfield Armory in its present configuration. Rifles with serial numbers near yours were all standard service model rifles.

The earliest documented NRA Sporter rifels were in the 1230xxx serial number range. THe DIrector of Civilian Marksmanship did sell spare parts for NRA sporters so it is possible a previous owner purchased a replacement barrel and stock and had them installed, so it looks exactly like one.

A correct NRA sporter barrel should have the star gauge marking on the muzzle crown (like ``*``) and a star gauge record number in really tiny stamps, on the underside of the barrel where it is only visibl with the stock removed. These are usually a letter and 2 or 3 numbers. A larger marking, especially if visible while the rifle is in the stock is probably a steel heat lot identification done on service barrels.

Your rifle falls in the ``low number`` category with heat treatment of the receivers potentially having serious problems, and most people prefer not to shoot these. John Spangler

16438 - Steyr Pocket Model
3/6/2021
Sal

Maker: Steyr, Model: 1909?, Caliber: 32, Barrel Length: 3.5", Finish: Blue, SN: ?

Markings:
I inherited from my father a 32 CAL break open (tilt-down) automatic which was taken from a high ranking German officer during WWII. My father told me that he believed it was pretty valuable because his limited research (years ago) appeared to indicate that many of this specific model were not produced and/or not in circulation. I have been told that the pistol was made by the Oesterreiches Waffenfabriks Geselschaft, Steyr (The Austrian Weapons Factory Inc) Steyr, Austria and may be a model of 1909. The barrel length is about 3.5 inches (1.75 inches of which extends past the trigger guard). It has a 7 clip magazine and is black or dark blue in color. Aside from the manufacturer's name on the frame it has the following markings: a stamp "N. PIEPER PATENT', a stamp PAT.No.9379-05 No.25025-06 u No.16715-08, a stamp PAT.* No. 40335, a stamp 22231, and a stamp11 with what appears to be a small official crest next to the 11. There is also the word STEYR and a crest on both sides of the grip. The firearm appears to be in excellent both aesthetically and functionally. I am interested in your assessment of its value and any information relating to potential purchasers.

Answer:
Sal, Your pistol is a Steyr Pocket Model. Steyr Pocket Model pistols were designed by Nicholas Pieper of Liege who patented his tip-down barrel automatic pistol in 1908 and produced pistols under his own name. Pieper licensed his tipping-barrel blowback patent to Steyr together with some small improvements and they were introduced by Steyr in 1909, in both 6.35mm and 7.65mm calibres. There are small detail differences between the Steyr and the Pieper products, such as the contour of the frame and the cutting of finger grooves, which probably reflect the use of different machinery, but mechanically, they are the same.

Steyr manufactured pistols can be easily identified by their markings: 'Pat No. 9379-05 u No. 25025-06' on the upper left side of the barrel block; 'Oesterr Waffenfabrik Ges Steyr' on the left side of the receiver; 'Pat + No. 40335' on the right side of the barrel block (the + indicating a Swiss patent number); and 'N Pieper Patent' on the right side of the receiver. Models made after 1911 had another patent number `No. 16715-O8' added to the left of the barrel block. A useful feature of the Steyr marking system is that the last significant digits of the year of manufacture are stamped on the left side of the barrel block, just ahead of the frame.

Manufacture of the Steyr Pocket Model pistols was suspended in 1914, resumed in 1921, and continued until 1939.

There is not a large demand for Steyr pocket pistols, blue book values for examples in excellent condition are in the $200 to $250 range. Marc

16441 - Winchester Trench Gun?
3/6/2021
John Destin Florida USA

Maker: Winchester, Model: 1897, Caliber: 12ga, Barrel Length: 18, Finish: Shotgun (Military) - Parkerized, SN: D367145

Question:
I am not exactly what I have but believe it is an original 1897 Winchester 12 ga trench shotgun with six hole heat shield cannot read barrel as photos are a bit unclear. Looking for a starting point. Can you help. Not sure of barrel length

Answer:
John- Winchester Model 1897 shotgun serial number 367145 was made in 1907, and in my opinion it is almost certainly NOT a WW1 used trench gun. The 18 inch barrel is also shorter than standard for trench guns. It is probably a look alike copy made for a reenactor at some time in the last 40 years.

Anyone can easily check the date of manufacture on most Winchesters on the Winchester Arms Collectors Association site at:

https://winchestercollector.org/dates/

The Army bought a few Model 1897 shotguns as riot guns prior to WW1, but not many, and they too would have had longer barrels, but no handguards/bayonet lugs. Hope that helps, John Spangler

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