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16147  -
11/30/2019
Rick, Binghamton, New York

Maker: Mauser, Model: 7,65, Caliber: 32, Barrel Length: 4 Inches, Finish: ?, SN: 439278

Markings:
At the bottom of the hand piece it has S.P scribed in the metal. D.

Question:
I would like to know how old it is and where it's from.

Answer:
Rick, you did not give me much to go by, 7.65 is the caliber in millimeters (same as .32), not the model number. Without knowing the model, the most that I can give you is some general information. Your pistol was manufactured at Mauserwerke in Obendorf Germany, Mauserwerke was founded by Peter Paul and Wilhelm Mauser in 1869. Your pistol is likely one of 4 models, the 1910, the 1914, the 1934 or the HSC. The 1910 is a 9 shot pistol with a 3 inch barrel, fixed sights and checkered walnut or hard rubber grips, it was Mfg from 1910 to 1934. The Model 1914 was Mfg from 1914 to 1934 it is similar to Model 1910, with a 3.4 inch barrel. The Model 1934 was Mfg. from 1934 to 1939 it is similar to Model 1914, with a re shaped one piece wrap-around grip. Mauser introduced the HSC in 1938, it is an 8 shot double action pistol with a 3.4 in. barrel, available with a blue or nickel finish, fixed sights, and checkered walnut grips. Marc



16109  - SPENCER .56-56 FIRED CASES
11/30/2019
Wilma, Vernon, CT

Maker: Spencer .56 Rimfire, Model: ?, Caliber: .56 Rimfire, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Don`t Know, SN: ?

Question:
The museum in Indian Lake, NY has a Spencer .56 Rimfire on their wall. They`d love to have 1 or 2 `spent` cartridges to hang with it. Does anyone have any they could donate?

Answer:
Wilma- Sorry, we cannot help with that. Dealers in Civil War relics often get these from relic hunters (``diggers``) but we do not get into that sort of thing. John Spangler



16146  - Crack-Shot 22
11/26/2019
Peter Sewell, NJ

Maker: J Stevens Arms And Tool, Model: 22 Long Rifle, Caliber: 22, Barrel Length: 19''?, Finish: Don't Know, SN: H 159

Markings:
Chicopee Falls, Ma. *Crack-Shot*

Question:
I'm trying to figure out the date of manufacture and any other information that might be of interest about this gun I received from my father. It's hard to tell the serial number as it looks to be H 0159 or perhaps just H 159. This is the first gun I ever fired. Likely about 40 years ago. My father got it from his father. Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

Answer:
Peter, Stevens first offered the Crack-Shot rifle in about 1900, it was an inexpensive boys type rifle with a 20 inch round barrel and weight of about 3.75 pounds. Early Crack-Shot rifles had an automatic safety-slide behind the hammer, which had to be held back manually as the trigger was pressed. The automatic safety was not popular and most owners removed the safety-slide spring to alter safety operation from automatic to manual. Production of Crack-Shots rifles ceased by 1913. Marc



16140  - 3``/50 AMMO CAN
11/26/2019
Steve

Maker: ?, Model: ?, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: ?

Question:
Hi there, I recently acquired a shell casing that I believe is a US Navy 3a(e)/50 casing but it came in a cylindrical ammo can just big enough to fit one cartridge in. Ia(e)(tm)m wondering if you have any examples of this or know anything about them. Thanks!

Answer:
Steve- During most of WW2, and later, the 3``/50 ammo was usually issued in single metal ammo tanks which would stack securely in the magazines. They are not common, but few collectors seem eager to own one, so value is modest. Similar cartridge or powder tanks were used with most USN ammo from circa 1895 to the present with the earlierst made of copper with wooden slats, later ones were mostly aluminum or steel. They were made from 3`` up to 16`` for powder charges where projectiles were ``separate loading.`` Hope that helps. John Spangler



16145  - Shotgun Question
11/23/2019
bruce elkins park pa

Maker: n.r. davis and sons, Model: double bbl. ext. hammers, Caliber: 12 gauge, Barrel Length: 30``, Finish: Blue, SN: A794

Markings:
A794 on wood grip and receiver

Question:
Date of manufacture and value in very good condition

Answer:

bruce, our main focus at FineOldGuns.com (OldGuns.net) is military firearms. We sometimes list sporting shotguns for sale in our catalogs but we do not have a lot of interest in collecting them and are by no means experts in this field. There are several dealers listed on our links page that specialize in shotguns who would be able to give you a better answer to your question.

I tried a quick Google search on N. R. Davis And Sons which resulted with the following information at this link:

Short History of N.R. Davis & Sons Shotguns

This information written by and reprinted with the permission of Joe Vorisek
N.R. DAVIS ARMS COMPANY

This company. located in Assonet, MA from 1853 until at least 1917, operated under the following names:

1853 to 1883‑ N.R. DAVIS ARMS COMPANY‑ Freetown section of Assonet, MA

1883 to 1917‑ N.R. DAVIS & SONS CO.‑ Water St., Assonet, MA

1917 to 1930‑ DAVIS‑WARNER ARMS CORP.‑ Brooklyn, NY and Norwich, CT (There is some evidence that the Assonet factory remained in use until 1925.)

1930 to 1935‑ CRESCENT‑DAVIS ARMS CORP.

The company was owned and operated by the Davis family until 1917 when N.R. DAVIS & SONS CO. was merged with WARNER ARMS CORP. to form DAVIS‑WARNER ARMS CORP.

Davis‑Warner seems to have made both Davis shotguns and Warner pistols in small quantities with the guns being made at the Warner plant in Norwich, CT from parts made in the Assonet plant until about 1925.

Beginning in 1925, Davis‑Warner seems to have regained its ability to make and sell firearms in quantity. Perhaps because the Assonet plant was closed and production consolidated in Norwich. It also appears that the Warner automatic pistols were dropped from production in 1925.

When the Assonet plant actually closed is speculative, some sources use the 1917 date, while others use 1925; unfortunately the Assonet Town Records do not reflect the year of its closing. It was definitely closed and not in use when it burned in 1928 and newspaper articles about the fire indicate that it had been closed for some time.

DAVIS‑WARNER ARMS CORP. became a part of CRESCENT DAVIS ARMS CORP. in 1930. For further information regarding this merger see CRESCENT FIRE ARMS CO.

N.R. DAVIS shotguns were marked, in addition to the names above, with at least the following trade names.

E.C. MEACHAM ARMS CO. PAT'D AUG. 3, 1886
ASSONET GUN WORKS (probably) no specimens seen
RIVAL (hammerless double made in the 1880's)

N.R. DAVIS & SONS may also have made some shotguns for Sears, Roebuck, but this has not been confirmed by observation of any actual specimens.

Still another possibility has surfaced, namely that N.R. DAVIS may have made some shotguns that were totally unmarked except perhaps for a serial number for a few of the larger hardware wholesalers; but again this has not been confirmed by observation.

As may be apparent from this rambling discourse, very little hard evidence exists about N.R. DAVIS operations, despite its being a well known and well respected gun maker. One reason for this is that over much of its life it was family owned, and such firms rarely make much information public.

Even the question of how many shotguns it produced is a mystery. Some shotguns have serial numbers, while others have only a 2 digit assembly number; and there appears to be no rhyme or reason as to why some are serial numbered and some are not. Serial numbers of their lack will occur in the same models.

Much more specific research needs to be done on this company. I can only hope that this material will at least serve as a basis from which to start.

N.R. DAVIS & SONS made shotguns under at least the following patents:

66,913, July 16, 1867‑ breechloading firearm
81,348, August 25, 1868‑ method of attaching gun barrels
217,001, July 1, 1879‑ firearm
293,719, February 19, 1884‑ breechloading firearm
294,772, March 11, 1884‑ breechloading firearm
346,536, August 3, 1886‑ breechloading firearm

The principals of N.R. DAVIS & SONS CO. before 1917 were as follows:

Nathan Russel Davis
N.W. Davis (son of Nathan R.)
W.A. Davis (son of Nathan R.)
David C. Thresher (Thrasher)

The following is an abstract of the Articles of Incorporation of the Davis‑Warner Arms Corp.

Corporation Name: DAVIS‑WARNER ARMS CORPORATION

Incorporated In: New York

Date of Incorporation: January 4, 1917

Principal Place of Business: Manhattan, New York City

Names and residences of Subscribers and Shares Subscribed:

Franklin B. Warner, 1549 New York Ave., Brooklyn, NY 8 shares

Frank Harvey Field, 274 Sterling Place, Brooklyn, NY 1 share

Richard L. Phillips, 2 East 128th St., Manhattan, NYC 1 share

Directors:

Franklin B. Warner

Frank H. Field

Richard L. Phillips

Henry B. Moore, 540 W. 113th St., Manhattan, NYC

Sigmund Faust, 1219 Union Ave., Brooklyn, NY

Capital Stock: $200,000 (2,000 shares at $100 par)

In 1921 the Officers of DAVIS‑WARNER were

Franklin E. Warner‑ President & Treasurer

C. Chester Warner‑ Vice‑President

I.M. Janowsky‑ Secretary

It should be noted that both the Warners were incorporators of KIRTLAND BROS. CO. a sporting goods retailer in New York City.

The serial number ranges of Davis made shotguns may be impossible to recreate with any accuracy until some reason can be found for why some guns were serial numbered and some were not.

However one item does appear to be fact. That is that all Davis model shotguns made by DAVIS‑WARNER ARMS CORP. or CRESCENT‑DAVIS ARMS CORP. had a letter prefix to the serial number. Whether this prefix denotes the year of manufacture is open to conjecture.

One clue as to when a Davis‑Warner shotgun was made may be obtained from the very last guns produced in 1929 and 1930. These shotguns are marked on the water table, PAT. NO. 1,692,995. This patent was granted to a J.J. Murphy on November 27, 1928.





16138  - Pattern 1853 .577 "Enfield" Rifle Musket
11/19/2019
B. Baker e-mail: BBaker0330@aol.com

Maker: London Armory Co., Model: Rifle Musket / Enfield Pattern 1853, Caliber: .577, Barrel Length: Rifle / 39 In., Finish: Blued Barrel, Case Hardened Lock & Hammer, SN: INSPECTOR & PROOF MARKINGS ONLY

Question:
Barrel: lac (overstamped) in two places. lock: crown over v.r , l.a.co. 1861stock; crotche-- London armory company bermondsey 1862 . This piece is prior to the 1864 major caleb huse exclusive contract between London armory and the c.s.a.are any records available on earlier (1861-63) shipments which would indicate if this rifle was purchased by the north or south ?is a ¨t & co.¨ marked ramrod correct for this gun? Thanks b. baker

Answer:
Bernard, Your Pattern 1853 .577 "Enfield" rifle musket is generally considered by most collectors to be a legitimate Civil War arm. Precise linkage to either U.S. or C.S. use is difficult at best, and I am personally very skeptical of most of the "evidence" folks have about their particular item (usually seeking a Confederate pedigree). Both Federal and Confederate agents, and those from numerous state, and private speculators were competing for surplus and newly made arms in Europe from 1860 to 1865. Arms could have been sold in large lots or small, and then changed ownership one or more additional times before finally reaching American ports (north or south). Some southern shpments were captured running the blockade, and subsequently the arms issued to federal forces. The best general coverage of this subject remains Bill Edwards superb "Civil War Guns". More specific details are buried in the 128 volume "Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies in the War of the Rebellion." The Todd et al "American Military Equipage 1851-1872" series has good break down of arms used on a regimental level, extracted from the quarterly reports of ordnance, etc. I recently sold a P1853 Enfield (Tower 1861) with "64 NY" marks, which was accompanied by a nicely done set of documents about the regiment's history of engagements, etc. However, the records said they had Springfields!! Captured trophy, unofficial battlefield replacement, or pure B.S.... who knows? I sold it based on the value of the gun itself, with the caveat that the 64NY association was suspect. Sorry I don't have any definitive answers for you. It certainly sounds like a nice piece, representative of those popular with the Confederate forces, but probably not something that can be positively proven... John Spangler.



16137  - 1903A3 Manufacture Date
11/19/2019
Robert, richboro, pa

Maker: Remington, Model: 1903a3, Caliber: 30-06, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: Blue, SN: 4003129

Markings:
VA54 on barrel

Question:
What year was it built?

Answer:
Robert, the U.S. Model 1903 was the standard service rifle of the U.S. military from 1903 till the late 1930`s with well over one million produced. The action owes much to the German Mauser Gewehr 98, but also has some unique features including a magazine cutoff to hold 5 shoots in reserve till the enemy charged. After the disaster at Dunkirk in June 1940, the British approached Remington Arms Company about making a Model 1903 in caliber 303 to reequip their army. The U.S. government released the Model 1903 tooling from the Rock Island Arsenal to Remington, and two prototype Model 1903 rifles in 303 were made. (They can be seen at the Firearms Museum in Cody, Wyoming.) But with the U.S. heading for war, the Army commissioned Remington to restart manufacture of the Model 1903, with the first rifles turned out in October 1941. Between October 1941 and January 1943 Remington produced about 330,000 Model 1903 rifles. Remington made numerous changes to speed manufacture and by early 1942 the rifle was called the U.S. rifle 1903 Modified. These included changing the barrel bands, sling swivels, buttplate, and triggerguard from machined to stamped. When the rear sight was moved from the area in front of the receiver to the rear receiver bridge the rifle`s designation was changed from Model 1903 Modified to Model 1903A3. The production of the 1903A3 was phased in between December 1942 and January 1943, and about 700,000 were made when production ceased in early 1944. My records indicate that your rifle was manufactured in September of 1943. Marc



16135  - Dreyse 1907 .25 Pistol
11/16/2019
Loren MN,USA

Maker: Dreyse, Model: N???, Caliber: .25 Caliber Semi Automatic, Barrel Length: 2 Inches, Finish: ?, SN: 60XXX

Question:
Looks like what might be an R and an F and an M on the grips.

Looking for a clip for this pistol. It is at least 53 years old as it was brought over from Germany in 1945. I believe it was used then. My deceased father brought it over so I don't know much else about it. He used to keep the pistol in the glove compartment of the car and the clip for it in his jacket pocket. Someone stole his jacket with the clip in it about 20 years ago. Would like any information about this pistol and any advice about obtaining a clip for it.

Answer:
Loren, it sounds like you have a Dreyse Model 1907. Waffenfabrik von Dreyse was founded about 1842 to make the famous Needle Gun for the Prussian army, the Dreyse concern had also made needle pistols and cap lock revolvers. The 6.35mm Model 1907 was broadly based on the 1906 Browning pattern without the grip safety. The Model 1907 had a unique patented method of disassembly, lifting the rear sight clear of the slide allows the whole rib to be removed backward, allowing the pistol to be dismantled. Model 1907's are marked DREYSE on the left side of the slide and have 'RMF' monograms on the grips. You may have a hard time locating a magazine, try the gun parts links on our links page... Marc



16106  - Family Heirloom Shotgun Parts
11/16/2019
Pat- Pennsylvania

Maker: ?, Model: ?, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: ?

Question:
I need a shell extractor for a double barrel shot gun. It`s an old rabbit ear. Just got a barrel but no extractor can you help!!! My dads gun from when he was a kid!!!!

Answer:
Sir- Sorry, we cannot help with that one. You will probably need to have a gunsmith make one, which will cost a lot more than the gun is worth (disregarding the sentimental value). John Spangler



16134  - S&W Information Source
11/12/2019
Henry GONZALES Los Angeles ca

Maker: Smith Wesson, Model: Not Sure, Caliber: 38, Barrel Length: 6inch, Finish: Blue, SN: 20846

Markings:
on the butt it has a c349418 number on the barrel it reads 38 SW special CT

Question:
Would like to know as much as you can tell me thank you in advance

Answer:
Henry, the information that you need is in the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson by Jim Supica and, Richard Nahas. It is available on Amazon (click here). Hope that this helps, Marc



16105  - S&W 586 Info.
11/12/2019


Maker: S&W, Model: 586, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: AUH 9649

Question:
We recently purchased a S&W 586 no dash, 8 3/8 with a Leupold scope and the original site included as well. Original box is missing. S/N AUH 9649. We bought the firearm to sell (hopefully make money); we cannot find much information on it. It has several markings, we found the meaning of one--Banking of Legion, Belgium and a German import mark of AKAH. M.K. Moore (looks like Moose) is hand etched on the frame under the grip. Would you be able to direct to more information on the gun or possible value? Thank you.

Answer:
Sir- Sorry, we cannot help with that one. The S&W Model 586 is just too new for our interests.

If you are a dealer you will find that researching guns is sometimes hard and sometimes easy. Sometimes you will find bits of information which add to collector interest or value, and other times whatever you find might hurt the value.

Since you stated you bought it for resale at a profit (hopefully) that is closer to gambling when you don`t know what something is. Sometimes you get lucky and find a bargain, and other times you buy an education. Hope that helps. John Spangler




16104  - Ammo- Corrosive Or Non-corrosive?
11/9/2019
Michael California

Maker: ?, Model: ?, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: ?

Question:
I have an old 50 round box of .45 ammunition. Written on the box is 50 cartridges ball caliber .45 M1911 (Stamped) 1885, Federal Cartridge Corporation. This may be from WWII. Is this worth anything or should I just go ahead and just use them?---

Answer:
Michael- That ammo is probably from the mid-1950s, and were made after the switch to non-corrosive primers. Not really any special collector interest. I would just go ahead and shoot them.

There is a U.S. Army manual which lists the dates and lot numbers for transition to non-corrosive primers, and we have posted that information on our information site, ArmsCollectors.com for easy reference. http://www.armscollectors.com/corrosive_primer_dates.pdf

Hope that helps. John Spangler




16133  - Life After Laquersticks?
11/9/2019
Joel

Maker: ?, Model: ?, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: ?

Question:
John & Marc,

Over the years I have collected firearms from you and others, as well as other WWII stuff. One thing that happened many years ago was me buying a S & W Victory .38 from some person in Florida. It came to me and had white paint in all the stamped or engraved parts. I spent several decades trying to get this white paint out. Nothing worked. I just shook my head and wondered. Then about 3-4 weeks ago I found a Mossberg 42 MB(a) that needed to join my collection. Unfortunately, it came from the same person in Florida. Filled with white paint. When my wife says whats wrong with that weapon, you know it is a problem. So I wrote to the gentleman in Florida:

I have been buying weapons from you for nearly 20 years and I noticed it from the beginning but really didn`t pay much attention to it. You are ``whiting`` the markings obviously for show and for customer `s discernment. So the question is what are you using? I have tried just about everything to remove with everything I have, but maybe what I don`t have will work. Like I said, it started with a S & W Victory and I never moved on to another one till I could get it off (it has white smear on the metal). So can you give away your secret and your solution?.

He wrote back:

I use a product called Lacquerstik, available from Brownells (and elsewhere). It is easily removed with any solvent such as WD-40 or Break-Free CLP (which is what I use).

Unfortunately, this is not true. I contacted the manufacturer of Lacquerstik, and this is what they wrote to me:

Your best chance to cleaning the marks from the Lacquer Stik is with mineral spirits. Ia(e)(tm)ve also heard that brake cleaning fluid can also work.

Realistically, after 20 years it has probably been thoroughly cured. Were these marks filling in an engraving? You might be able to physically pick out the material with some dental tools (if you can obtain some) without damaging the firearms.

I hope this helps.

So the manufacturer does not know how to remove this. Now this letter started when I saw your recent weapon for sale, **NEW ADDITION** SMOF7197 - EXCELLENT GEWEHR 33/40 WORLD WAR II GERMAN MOUNTAIN TROOP CARBINE. And there was the white paint again. Have you any trade, world, universe, religious, or metaphysical secret on how to make my weapon(s) look normal again. The white stuff smeared into the metal when they wiped it off and it is an ugly ghost mark that literally will not ``DIE.``

I hope this is a little more exciting for you than some things you deal with. Thanks for all you have done for me in the past.

Answer:

Hi Joel, I can usually clean up the firearms that are not Parkerized.  For Parkerized guns, the paint seems to get into the grain of the Parkerization and it is sometimes just about impossible to remove. Here is a list of chemicals that I have had some success with. Sometimes one of these will work on one gun but not another.  I usually try all of the chemicals on the list until I find one that works:

  • WD-40
  • Diesel Fuel
  • Acetone
  • Lacquer Thinner
  • Mineral Spirits
  • Paint Thinner
  • Rubbing Alcohol

If the paint is old and hard sometimes you can soften it up by soaking.  I do this by putting a small bit of saturated cloth (like a cleaning patch) over the offending area and  let it soak in.  In the case of acetone, rubbing alcohol and lacquer thinner, they evaporate fast so you have to keep re-wetting the patch.  Once (if) the paint softens up, you can scrub with a stiff toothbrush, you may have to do this several times.  Sometimes with Parkerization, it leaves the area that was cleaned lighter because of white paint stains.  If that happens, the only thing that can be done is to rub in some old dirty grease or cosmoline, the blacker and dirtier the grease, the better.

I would caution you to experiment on small, a less noticeable area first before tackling an area that would stand out and be noticeable.





16103  - Capt Etienne`s Bayonet
11/5/2019


Maker: ?, Model: ?, Caliber: ?, Barrel Length: ?, Finish: ?, SN: ?

Question:
Hi wondering if you know of or can find out or point me in the right direction with a Bayonet i have, Basically, I have noted a name and year. It looks like Cpt Etienne 1879 there is an unclear word or abbreviation after ``Etienne`` unfortunately I can`t quite decipher it. Any information will be much appreciated

Answer:
Sir- French bayonets of the period 1842-1890 were marked in script engraving on the top of the blade with the place and date of manufacture.

St. Etienne was one of the main French arsenals, the next word is the month, followed by the year.

These are not ``presentation items`` to Lieutenant Etienne as some people believe when first seeing them, like I did many years ago. Hope that helps. John Spangler




16127  - Page Lewis Parts
11/5/2019
Tim Corbin, Ky. U.S.A.

Maker: Page Lewis Arms Company, Model: 50, Caliber: 22, Barrel Length: 24'', Finish: Blue, SN: N/A

Markings:
Springfield Jr.

Question:
Wondering if complete bolt would still be available, if so, through who? Thanks Tim Moore

Answer:
Tim, the Page-Lewis Arms Company set up business in 1921 in the old Stevens Duryea automobile plant in Chicopee Falls Mass. employing about 150 workers. Company officers were the president, Irving H. Page; the vice-president, general manager and designer George S. Lewis of East Springfield; and the treasurer Charles H. Leonard of Chicopee Falls; all were experienced gun makers. The first shipment of Page-Lewis rifles left the factory in July, 1921 but sales were not good and the first year the company just about broke even. In 1923 To increase sales Page-Lewis introduced a small bolt action .22 single-shot rifle design. The new design was quite popular and helped to increase sales. On August 6 of the following year Irving Page died suddenly of a heart attack. Without Page's leadership the company went quickly downhill. Page Lewis was purchased by J. Stevens Arms Company in 1926.

We do not have the parts that you need. Recommend you check with Gun Parts Corp (the old Numrich Arms people) at the following URL:

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

Gun Parts Corp has just about everything. If that doesn't work, try posting it on our free "Wanted" page at the following URL:

http://oldguns.net/submitwn.htm

Hope this helps. Marc